K2 and SantanaQAT: how far is 3-bit LLM quantization from the rate-distortion bound? A measurement study, and why the last points are unavailable

We ask a narrow, falsifiable question: can a ~3.3 bit-per-weight (bpw) trellis codec be made near-lossless — retaining at least 96.5% of the full-precision model's item-level benchmark performance — by better mathematics or better training, on consumer hardware? We answer with measurements on Qwen2.5-1.5B (1.54B deployed parameters) on a single 12 GB GPU, cross-checked at 3B. (i) The ceiling is arithmetic: the coder sits 1.23–1.32x above the Shannon bound at K=3,4,5,6, approximately constant, so perfect coding is worth about +5 retention points, not the 17 the bar demands; at 3.34 bpw the bar requires an effective weight error 3.8x below the bound. (ii) The source offers no exploitable structure: post-rotation weights are white (kurtosis 3.07; spectral AM/GM 1.13–1.24; residual AM/GM 1.22–1.38), and an activation-side anisotropy gain of 1.47x in sample collapses to 0.98–1.02x out of sample. (iii) The codec column closes by identification: the trellis is numerically the D8 lattice (0.02723 vs 0.02735); E8 is 1.22x better at entropy-matched rate but only 1.03–1.10x once a fixed-rate 2^(8R) container is imposed; entropy coding of the stored stream is exactly 1.000x. Training saturates: scales-only QAT buys +6.1 points (p = 0.004) for 0.09% of the parameters and 0.77M tokens, then drives perplexity below the full-precision model while coding stays flat; latent training is significantly worse on HellaSwag (p = 0.0139). The residual damage is additive and unlocalisable. What moves the number is rate and scale. The release contains the paper (LaTeX and PDF), the three figures, the per-item result files behind every table, and the scripts that produce the tables.

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Zenodo (CERN European Organization for Nuclear Research)
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2026-10-26
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https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.23678902
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Advanced Neural Network Applications
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K2 and SantanaQAT: how far is 3-bit LLM quantization from the rate-distortion bound? A measurement study, and why the last points are unavailable

Baran Mamo
Zenodo (CERN European Organization for Nuclear Research)
Advanced Neural Network Applications
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K2 and SantanaQAT: how far is 3-bit LLM quantization from the rate-distortion bound? A measurement study, and why the last points are unavailable

Baran Mamo
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Abstract

We ask a narrow, falsifiable question: can a ~3.3 bit-per-weight (bpw) trellis codec be made near-lossless — retaining at least 96.5% of the full-precision model's item-level benchmark performance — by better mathematics or better training, on consumer hardware? We answer with measurements on Qwen2.5-1.5B (1.54B deployed parameters) on a single 12 GB GPU, cross-checked at 3B. (i) The ceiling is arithmetic: the coder sits 1.23–1.32x above the Shannon bound at K=3,4,5,6, approximately constant, so perfect coding is worth about +5 retention points, not the 17 the bar demands; at 3.34 bpw the bar requires an effective weight error 3.8x below the bound. (ii) The source offers no exploitable structure: post-rotation weights are white (kurtosis 3.07; spectral AM/GM 1.13–1.24; residual AM/GM 1.22–1.38), and an activation-side anisotropy gain of 1.47x in sample collapses to 0.98–1.02x out of sample. (iii) The codec column closes by identification: the trellis is numerically the D8 lattice (0.02723 vs 0.02735); E8 is 1.22x better at entropy-matched rate but only 1.03–1.10x once a fixed-rate 2^(8R) container is imposed; entropy coding of the stored stream is exactly 1.000x. Training saturates: scales-only QAT buys +6.1 points (p = 0.004) for 0.09% of the parameters and 0.77M tokens, then drives perplexity below the full-precision model while coding stays flat; latent training is significantly worse on HellaSwag (p = 0.0139). The residual damage is additive and unlocalisable. What moves the number is rate and scale. The release contains the paper (LaTeX and PDF), the three figures, the per-item result files behind every table, and the scripts that produce the tables.

Zenodo (CERN European Organization for Nuclear Research)
Advanced Neural Network Applications
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K2 and SantanaQAT: how far is 3-bit LLM quantization from the rate-distortion bound? A measurement study, and why the last points are unavailable — Baran Mamo · Zenodo (CERN European Organization for Nuclear Research) (2026) | TGRS Research Map | TGRS