Saturation of reduced products
In this paper, we study reduced products [Formula: see text] of countable structures in a countable language associated with the Fréchet ideal. We prove that such [Formula: see text] is [Formula: see text]-saturated if its theory is stable and not [Formula: see text]-saturated otherwise (regardless of whether the Continuum Hypothesis holds). This implies that [Formula: see text] is isomorphic to an ultrapower (associated with an ultrafilter on [Formula: see text]) if its theory is stable, even if the CH fails. We also improve a result of Farah and Shelah and prove that there is a forcing extension in which such reduced product [Formula: see text] is isomorphic to an ultrapower if and only if the theory of [Formula: see text] is stable. All of these conclusions apply for reduced products associated with [Formula: see text] ideals or more general layered ideals. We also prove that a reduced product associated with the asymptotic density zero ideal [Formula: see text], or any other analytic P-ideal that is not [Formula: see text], is not even [Formula: see text]-saturated if its theory is unstable.
Authors
- Ilijas Farah (ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7703-6931)
- Alessandro Vignati
- Ben de Bondt
Institutions
- York University (CA)
- Université Paris Cité (FR)
- University of Münster (DE)
- Institut de Mathématiques de Jussieu-Paris Rive Gauche (FR)
- Institut za savremenu istoriju (RS)
- Mathematical Institute of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Publication Details
- Journal
- Journal of Mathematical Logic
- Published
- 2026-02-06
- DOI
- https://doi.org/10.1142/s0219061326500029
- Primary Topic
- Advanced Topology and Set Theory
- Type
- article
- Field-Weighted Citation Impact
- 0.00