For a pedagogy of expressive forms

The text is an interview with Osvaldo Gabrieli and Beto Firmino, founders of the Grupo XPTO theater group, conducted by Flávio Tonnetti. Throughout the interview, they discuss the socio-historical context of the group’s formation, their fields of activity, and their artistic language, as well as the group’s relationship with the audience and critics. They also talk about their interactions with curators and other artists in both national and international contexts, offering a rich overview from the 1980s to the 2000s. Additionally, they address the power of animation theater as a language and group theater as a political form, bringing forth contemporary themes of theatrical interest and the strategies adopted to engage audiences.