“Reasoning” with Rhetoric: On the Style-Evidence Tradeoff in LLM-Generated Counter-Arguments

Large language models (LLMs) play a key role in generating evidence-based and stylistic counter-arguments, yet their effectiveness in real-world applications has been underexplored. Previous research often neglects the balance between evidentiality and style, which are crucial for persuasive arguments. To address this, we evaluated the effectiveness of stylized evidence-based counter-argument generation in Counterfire, a new dataset of 38,000 counter-arguments generated by revising counter-arguments to Reddit’s ChangeMyView community to follow different discursive styles. We evaluated generic and stylized counter-arguments from basic and fine-tuned models such as GPT-3.5, PaLM-2, and Koala-13B, as well as newer models (GPT-4o, Claude Haiku, LLaMA-3.1) focusing on rhetorical quality and persuasiveness. Our findings reveals that humans prefer stylized counter-arguments over the original outputs, with GPT-3.5 Turbo performing well, though still not reaching human standards of rhetorical quality nor persuasiveness. Additionally, our work created a novel argument triplets dataset for studying style control, with human preference labels that provide insights into the tradeoffs between evidence integration and argument quality.

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Proceedings of the International AAAI Conference on Web and Social Media
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2025-06-07
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https://doi.org/10.1609/icwsm.v19i1.35913
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Legal Language and Interpretation
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“Reasoning” with Rhetoric: On the Style-Evidence Tradeoff in LLM-Generated Counter-Arguments

Preetika Verma, Kokil Jaidka, Svetlana Churina
Proceedings of the International AAAI Conference on Web and Social Media
Legal Language and Interpretation
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“Reasoning” with Rhetoric: On the Style-Evidence Tradeoff in LLM-Generated Counter-Arguments

Preetika Verma, Kokil Jaidka, Svetlana Churina
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Abstract

Large language models (LLMs) play a key role in generating evidence-based and stylistic counter-arguments, yet their effectiveness in real-world applications has been underexplored. Previous research often neglects the balance between evidentiality and style, which are crucial for persuasive arguments. To address this, we evaluated the effectiveness of stylized evidence-based counter-argument generation in Counterfire, a new dataset of 38,000 counter-arguments generated by revising counter-arguments to Reddit’s ChangeMyView community to follow different discursive styles. We evaluated generic and stylized counter-arguments from basic and fine-tuned models such as GPT-3.5, PaLM-2, and Koala-13B, as well as newer models (GPT-4o, Claude Haiku, LLaMA-3.1) focusing on rhetorical quality and persuasiveness. Our findings reveals that humans prefer stylized counter-arguments over the original outputs, with GPT-3.5 Turbo performing well, though still not reaching human standards of rhetorical quality nor persuasiveness. Additionally, our work created a novel argument triplets dataset for studying style control, with human preference labels that provide insights into the tradeoffs between evidence integration and argument quality.

Proceedings of the International AAAI Conference on Web and Social MediaVol. 19
National University of Singapore (SG)
National University of Singapore, Ministry of Education - Singapore, Ministry of Education, India, Bộ Giáo dục và Ðào tạo
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Legal Language and Interpretation
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“Reasoning” with Rhetoric: On the Style-Evidence Tradeoff in LLM-Generated Counter-Arguments — Preetika Verma, Kokil Jaidka, et al. · Proceedings of the International AAAI Conference on Web and Social Media (2025) | TGRS Research Map | TGRS