Reduced Solar Quadrupole Moment Compensates for Lack of Asteroids in Long-term Solar System Integrations

Abstract State-of-the-art long-term solar system integrations include several second order effects such as the Sun’s quadrupole moment J 2 and a contribution from asteroids (plus the Moon and general relativity). We recently showed that including 10 asteroids and a reduced J 2 in our astronomical solutions provides the best match with geologic data to −58 Myr. However, the rationale for the reduced J 2 remained ambiguous and may suggest that parameters for long-term integrations compatible with geologic observations are not fully compatible with our knowledge of the current solar system (specifically J 2 ). Here we show that a reduced J 2 compensates for a diminished asteroid population in long-term solar system integrations, which may appear surprising. We present an analysis and offer a mechanism for the long-term compensating effects of J 2 and asteroid mass in the solar system (not planetary systems in general). Our analysis suggests that “differential effects” on specific secular frequencies involved in resonant terms (i.e., ( g 4 − g 3 ) and ( s 4 − s 3 )), are critical in the long term, rather than short-term effects on the orbital elements of individual planetary orbits across the board. Also, our results indicate that if long-term integrations including the full asteroid population were computationally feasible, a J 2 value (within errors) compatible with our current knowledge of the solar system could be used. Attempts to improve the long-term accuracy of astronomical solutions by, e.g., tinkering with initial conditions using current/future astronomical observations are futile unless asteroid deficiencies in the solar system model are addressed.

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The Astronomical Journal
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2025-06-06
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https://doi.org/10.3847/1538-3881/add5dc
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Astro and Planetary Science
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Reduced Solar Quadrupole Moment Compensates for Lack of Asteroids in Long-term Solar System Integrations

Ilja Kocken, Richard E. Zeebe
1 citations
The Astronomical Journal
Astro and Planetary Science
1.15
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Reduced Solar Quadrupole Moment Compensates for Lack of Asteroids in Long-term Solar System Integrations

Ilja Kocken, Richard E. Zeebe
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Abstract State-of-the-art long-term solar system integrations include several second order effects such as the Sun’s quadrupole moment J 2 and a contribution from asteroids (plus the Moon and general relativity). We recently showed that including 10 asteroids and a reduced J 2 in our astronomical solutions provides the best match with geologic data to −58 Myr. However, the rationale for the reduced J 2 remained ambiguous and may suggest that parameters for long-term integrations compatible with geologic observations are not fully compatible with our knowledge of the current solar system (specifically J 2 ). Here we show that a reduced J 2 compensates for a diminished asteroid population in long-term solar system integrations, which may appear surprising. We present an analysis and offer a mechanism for the long-term compensating effects of J 2 and asteroid mass in the solar system (not planetary systems in general). Our analysis suggests that “differential effects” on specific secular frequencies involved in resonant terms (i.e., ( g 4 − g 3 ) and ( s 4 − s 3 )), are critical in the long term, rather than short-term effects on the orbital elements of individual planetary orbits across the board. Also, our results indicate that if long-term integrations including the full asteroid population were computationally feasible, a J 2 value (within errors) compatible with our current knowledge of the solar system could be used. Attempts to improve the long-term accuracy of astronomical solutions by, e.g., tinkering with initial conditions using current/future astronomical observations are futile unless asteroid deficiencies in the solar system model are addressed.

The Astronomical JournalVol. 170(1)
University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa (US)
Heising-Simons Foundation
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